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August 09, 2007
Question of the Day: Mac or PC?
As more and more of my friends have switched to using a Mac (seems once they try one they never go back), I was wondering what YOUR feelings were. Are you using a Mac or a PC? What do YOU recommend to friends?
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Posted by: 升降机 at July 14, 2008 06:17 AM
I have bought my first Mac a month ago and I love it. But I will not recommend it to other people ;-) why?
Well, as an entrepreneur in Israel and Mac gives me great competitive advantage: All my documentation looks great and sent as PDFs, I meet people and present them with Keynote (gives a WOW each time) and then send them the presentation as a Flash file or burn a DVD at the meeting, I sent great looking spreadsheets with Numbers.
It seems like a great offering of OS and applications and it works better for me than Windows/Office/etc.
Just my opinion.
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Posted by: Ori Matalon at September 2, 2007 07:52 AM
Wow Jeff!
I was just having the same discussion about this subject with a friend of mine. He asked me why people who use graphic programs insist of having a Mac.
I told him that as a heavy user of Adobe Photoshop and such (pocket money from making ads :-)) I honestly don't know. I'm pretty much satisfied from my PC.
I worked on both PC and a Mac, and I couldn’t detect any crucial difference.
Maybe Jonathan Bloom or Judith Hellerstein can clear this one out for me :)
Jonathan.
Posted by: Jonathan Farchi at August 10, 2007 09:26 AM
I just bought a macbook last night. I have been on the fence for a while now but the commentary here pushed me over the edge. I am an old Linux guy so having a real shell again is something I am looking forward to.
Posted by: Jesse Chenard at August 10, 2007 08:11 AM
I should add that I don't really have a problem with Macs, it's Mac *users* I don't care for. They're almost as bad as the Linux people.
Posted by: Robert Swirsky at August 10, 2007 01:08 AM
Switched to Mac in January. I'll never go back to Windows.
Posted by: Jamison at August 10, 2007 12:29 AM
Mac user since 1984; my business now has 7, including a CommuniGate Pro mail server and a Helix database server. Taking a walk on the wild side, I occasionally run Windoze XT under Parallels inside my new iMacIntel...but only when I absolutely have to!
Posted by: Gib Henry at August 9, 2007 11:01 PM
PC user here. I have nothing against Macs, except that their laptops seem to have just as many problems as any PC laptop, except for twice the price.
I like to buy my hardware and build my desktop myself.
Posted by: Henrik Pauli at August 9, 2007 07:01 PM
Macs (under OSX) hardly ever crash, so they're far less of a support headache when you recommend them. Friends using Windows are a constant support headache because they need a lot of help when things (often) go wrong.
Posted by: Steve Stroh at August 9, 2007 05:44 PM
Mac!! I'm not a Mac zealot or anything, but I love my Mac now. I really like OS X.
Posted by: nate at August 9, 2007 05:37 PM
I've been an Apple user since LONG before Macs. I got my first Apple IIe in 1983 and never looked back. Since then I've had a: IIgs, Mac II, Quadra 840 a/v, PB 140, PB 5300, 2 PB G3s, a titanium G4 and now an aluminum G4, some of these models I still have, somewhere. Not to mention various monitors, iPods, etc. Also, somewhere in there I convinced my mother to change to an iBook. Whew!
Posted by: Mark Rabinowitz at August 9, 2007 04:04 PM
Great discussion so far. I will say Judith, that the point about being able to do anything you can do on a PC on a Mac runs both ways, and if anything, cuts in favour of a PC. You rightly point out the problem of games, so for anyone who games, a Mac won't do.
I've found that for most Mac applications to do any task, I can find an equivalent one for a PC that does the job just as well. Emulation software can allow a PC user to even enjoy the look and feel of a Mac, but with the added comfort of knowing they can run any PC-only products.
Being intuitive is an odd thing, I find whenever I use a Mac it's uncomfortable and unintuitive, and my PC is incredibly intuitive to me. The very concept of being intuitive, I suspect, is a personal one, so the whole "Mac vs PC" argument is a bit moot. It very much comes down to personal choice, what you use a machine for, and what is comfortable to you.
Posted by: hazbro at August 9, 2007 04:04 PM
I have to admit that it doen't matter much for me, it only has to run linux.
Hardware is now disposable - simply look at all those virtual server technologie. Software is becoming disposable too and the specific tool you will be using will not matter in future communication, would it be voice or written.
Wasn't it the point of using an internet standard for telephonie instead of using a proprietary protocole like some other companie (did I say skype?)
Posted by: Dany Chouinard at August 9, 2007 03:39 PM
I've been using a Mac since Christmas and I must say, for being a video creator, this thing rocks for visual work! I do a ton of video and then small web design for my own sites and some of my other projects.
I'm not saying Macs are the ONLY way to do video/graphics. It is just what fits for me and it suits my needs.
Then if I need to use any Windows Apps I use Parallels and Boot Camp.
Now, it will surprise you, I use a Windows Mobile Smrtphone!
Posted by: Jonathan Bloom at August 9, 2007 01:59 PM
I have been using a Mac since they came out in 1984. I have used PCs and even own one, but have a PowerBook G4 and IBook and also an old 7600 Power Mac that I do not use. I am also a big fan of terminal as I am a big Pine user.
If you understand what you are doing you can do the same thing on Macs as you do on PCs and I especially like not having all the advertising crap on my Machine. I often do customized installs so I can avoid all the advertising that comes on a disk.
If you need to do anything using windows, Parallels is the way to go. I do not play games on my Mac so have never missed them.
I recommend that all my friends get Macs, even those living abroad. However, I do understand the problems of friends when the country does not have an authorized Apple repair center, but I would still recommend Macs anyway since they are so simple to use and very intuitive whereas PCs are not.
Most of my friends who bought Macs now love them and would never go back to a PC mostly because of the graphic, musical, and personal software and capabilities that they can do.
I have crashed my Mac, but it does not happen much unlike in windows. Moreover, only one program crashes instead of the whole system.
Posted by: Judith Hellerstein at August 9, 2007 12:54 PM
I used to work for Apple! And I run PCs 99% of the time. The only time I'll fire up the Mac is to make sure something works on the Mac, or when getting some screwed up DVD or CD from a Mac-based client who puts incompatible Mac junk on it.
The dirty little secret now is that 100% of Mac users actually run Windows now. Everyone I know with a Mac runs Parallels.
My company does a lot of custom software development. It's either on Windows or FreeBSD if it's a server. The reason I avoid Mac is that it's very difficult to develop software for. The MacOS is some wacky unix with MacOS1-9 and NeXTStep dropped on top of it. To effectively write good Mac applications, you have to know all about ancient MacOS arcana, plus NeXt stuff, plus their wacky Unix. And don't get me started on Objective-C.
Also their tools are the shits. The Microsoft development tools are much better than Apple's developers tools.
Most people I know writing stuff for the Mac are either doing web stuff or pure Unix stuff. So why not run Solaris or FreeBSD which are better Unixes w/o all the Mac crap overhead?
Posted by: Robert Swirsky at August 9, 2007 11:52 AM
Jeff, ( I checked this time ! )
I own 3 PCs; Two run Ubuntu as a Server and Desktop respectively. The last PC runs Windows XP 64.
We have two laptops that also dual boot to both operating systems
I want a Macbook or some variety if for nothing more than Macs like Linux increase my productivity by simply just working.
So to recap...
I own PCs .. I want a Mac
Cheers
Nik ( loudmouthman ) Butler
Posted by: Nicholas Butler at August 9, 2007 11:27 AM
I think I must just be incredibly lucky or have set up my machine well, because my system rarely crashes, and in 15 years of using PCs I've never (I repeat, never) had a virus. The odd trojan, yes, but I always catch them before they get dangerous, and there was an OS X trojan knocking around not so long ago.
Ultimately security/crashes are not down to hardware or software so much as they are down to poor use by the users. A poor workman always blames his tools.
Posted by: mr president at August 9, 2007 11:24 AM
I've recommended that people that do not have proprietary PC apps should seriously consider Macs. Ultimately, the iPod changed my mind (don't you think that one of the key reasons for the invention of the iPod was to be the Trojan Horse for Macs?).
Used Windows/PCs since the beginning and to be honest, for years, I've been tired of operating system crashes, non-intuitive/different user interfaces, network problems, and so on. My next notebook will be a MacBook. My personal computer (vs. my work computer) is a lifestyle tool and Mac simply beats the daylights out of Windows in that regard...I'll manage the two or three Windows apps I have with Parallels.
Posted by: Steve Promisel at August 9, 2007 11:09 AM
Allow me to be clear also, that when I said Macs can be infected by viruses, I was not refering to OS X specifically. At the time of writing there is no OS X file-infecting virus (I believe), but that doesn't mean one can't crop up in the next 5 minutes. You may find this article interesting, especially the quote from Apple themselves (who, lest we forget, have a bias towards their own machines)
Posted by: Mr President at August 9, 2007 10:53 AM
Irwin, I'm afraid you're definitely wrong. You can argue semantics over the definition of worm/virus but when it comes down to it, it's serious malware either way, and OS X does have vulnerabilities:
http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/osxleapa.html
Jeff, I'd definitely say proprietary builds from HP or Dell etc aren't very good, but a custom-build PC can be as clutter-free as you want, and run a lot better than a Mac, so long as it's tuned the right way.
Having used both I still continue to use my PC. Despite my love of OS X, it was the only selling point of a machine that simply didn't give me the power I demand, or the amount of applications I require. Or maybe I just love being able to build my own, to suit my unique needs? Perhaps I'm a power user, and for the average user a Mac will probably do the job, but for a serious computer user, a PC is the only choice.
Posted by: Mr President at August 9, 2007 10:46 AM
Mr. President - there's no such thing as a Mac OS X virus.
Posted by: Irwin Lazar at August 9, 2007 09:43 AM
I have both pc's and a mac and would have to say that it isn't so much the ease of use, but the clutter that comes on the pc when buying.
I am not sure on what side it is on since I have not bought a free standing operating system ever, but numerous machines from retailers. I find it annoying that the first thing I have to do with a PC is clean all of the clutter. The advertising that is put on to the machine before being loaded in the box. All the proprietary info that Dell, HP or any other manufacturer puts on. That is one thing that Apple is void of and I appreciate it. THe only self promotion they do is having the home page for Safari be Apple.com.
THe biggest complaint for switchers is the lack of quality aps and games that PC users have. I argue that this is the only reason there is not as many crashes as the pc.
Mac, easier to use? Yes, but harder to find the right stuff to do what I want to do.
Posted by: Jeff at August 9, 2007 09:42 AM
Mac.
I switched about three years ago and would never think of going back (though I do have to use a PC for work).
There's really no comparison.
Posted by: Irwin Lazar at August 9, 2007 09:41 AM
Mac.
There really isn't any point in anything else.
Cheers
N
Posted by: Neil Fairbrother at August 9, 2007 09:20 AM
Most of my thoughts are contained in these articles (http://lewinsky.wordpress.com/?s=macs), one of which links to a very good piece in The Guardian proving, once and for all, that Macs are toys, not real computers.
However, allow me to further mention the key points here. Macs do crash, I've seen for myself a Mac with a BSOD, so that's plain rubbish spouted by Mac users to justify their mistake in buying a less powerful machine at a much greater cost.
Secondly they do get infected by viruses, in fact more virus makers are targeting Macs now because of the number of people switching. The sole reason Macs got away without anti-virus before was so few people used them, but as they become a more sizeable minority, there are specific Mac viruses. The feeling of invulnerability Mac users have about viruses could prove a fatal mistake as these viruses become more numerous. My advice? Get AV protection whether you're on a Mac or PC.
Macs are far less powerful machines. So if you're asking me, as a system builder, which I prefer, I'd say my custom-built PC runs rings around any Mac. The only major weakness of PCs is Windows, which is godawful in its standard state. However anyone who knows what they're doing can make Windows work like a dream (mine does now) and although OS X is still by far the best OS, it runs on far inferior hardware.
In an ideal world, I'd say OS X on a PC would be the best of every world, but Apple will never do that. Shame, really, as it's a fine piece of software cursed to forever run on rubbish excuses for computers.
Posted by: Mr President at August 9, 2007 09:02 AM
Jeff, I've been using Apple since I first laid eyes on the Macintosh in 1984. Now I'm running MacBooks. Love 'em.
Posted by: Donna Papacosta at August 9, 2007 08:57 AM
I am a recent convert. I have always used both Apple and PC's since the days of the Apple II. The main computer I started to use for podcasting was a PC, then I upgraded the PC to a dual core, which improved things dramatically, but in March I switched over to a Mac Book pro.
The Mac simplifies things like FTP, uploading pictures to flickr, and makes other tasks go from a very long and time consuming process to a point and click and done procedure.
It saves me time. It just works. I am in total love with the Mac Book Pro.
My PC is fine, but now feels clunky and less refined. I still have my ipod synced with the PC Desk top (irony? No, 500GB hard drive) for storage issues, but when this thing dies, I'm replacing it with Mac- no doubt in my mind.
Posted by: Whitney at August 9, 2007 08:52 AM
I've been busily switching from PC to Mac for the past year and have found it to be a worthwhile but expensive venture. I have now: a Mac Mini, iMac, MacPro, MacBookPro, MacBook, iBook G4, an iPod, an iPhone, and an X-Serve Raid.
I really have no complaints. Parallels handles most of my Windows edge cases. However, sometimes it's just plain hard to do something that used to be easy on the PC. Example: e-fax stinks on the Mac and there aren't a lot of good alternatives, and dealing with the Office disparities (or having to decide to use variants) is a distraction.
As a Rails developer, what really sold me was the full-stack Rails environment supported on the Mac (with Textmate) that is impossible to replicate in my old Windows + Linux environment.
With all that, plus the underlying BSD box and the ability to virtualize any OS easily, there's really no going back.
Posted by: Dave Troy at August 9, 2007 08:06 AM
As a developer, I've worked on Windows for the last 12 years, and on unix variants before that. I don't really know much about the mac from a development point of view, but linux and unix varieties are where all the open-source action is, and also where all the server side and web page dev is. I haven't kept up with the windows/linux server count horse race lately, but all my developer buddies swear by linux for simple, reliable and fast web-site hosting. I get the feeling most Windows servers are used in enterprise intranets. Apple servers? Practically non-existent, in my experience.
That said, it's coming time for me to buy a laptop, and because I do some video blogging and non-work stuff, I am seriously considering a Mac for its ease of use and things like FinalCut. For developers, though, it's mainly Windows and Linux. Any Mac developers out there? Would be interested in hearing what you use and what's happening in that world.
Posted by: Joe Cascio at August 9, 2007 07:59 AM
Definitely, definitely a PC. OS X is awesome, but as a machine, the PC just has so much more power.
Posted by: Hazbro at August 9, 2007 07:52 AM
I own and operate MAC: a mac-mini, mac book pro. WINDOWS XP: a dell pc laptop, a Sony pc desktop, 3 HP pc desktops, WINDOWS SERVER: 7 Dell servers. UBUNTU LINUX: an HP Desktop. I've crashed them all at one point or another. It doesn't matter what you use as long as it gets the job done - they are only tools, much like an automobile is nothing more that a transportation device - Ford VS Chevy? Who cares, they both get you there, the rest is all semantics.
Posted by: Michael Bailey at August 9, 2007 07:48 AM
I've been using PCs 20+ years. It was time to upgrade my computer because I was literally loosing 20 mins out of every hour on slow OS, hangups and system crashes because I was asking my old Windows XP machine to do more than that particular low end machine was really designed for.
I chose to make the switch to Mac and took delivery of my new Mini, about 3 weeks ago and couldn't be more pleased. Most of what I do is web based apps so the local OS isn't an issue. I was using FireFox before so passwords and bookmarks could be imported into the new machine.
So far thing just work. I have gobs of applications all open at the same time along with scores of FireFox tabs and haven't had so much as a hiccup. Feel like I moved from a Pontiac to a Mercedes.
Posted by: Chris Cree at August 9, 2007 07:46 AM
MacBook Pro. Been on a Mac since 1993!
Posted by: Christopher S. Penn at August 9, 2007 06:12 AM
Anyone who actually desires to use a computer (mac or pc) to its full potential, i.e. more than just making basic home movies and creating extremely stock looking slide shows, will find this can be achieved through a pc or a mac. However, the ease through which this can be achieved varies by system.
Mac is created for users who require less options, this is not all bad though if you do not need all those extra options. For example, on a mac, the "task manager" is hidden from the average mac user in utilities, this saves the user from accidentaly doing damage by force quitting vital processes and having to call tech support.
The mac commercials argue that pc's are dull and boring because they do not come packaged with the same software as macs, when in reality any real creativity does not show itself in a basic no-work-required imovie project. It comes when the user has experience and uses a product such as final cut or, the windows equivalent, adobe premiere. In fact there is not only an equal or better windows equivalent to every piece of mac software, but you also have choices and are open to software that does not exist for the mac platform.
Hardware upgrades are easy to address. Mac doesn't have them (except for ram) and every component of pc's can be ugraded.
Gaming falls into the software category. there are very few options for mac where there are endless options for the pc.
finally, saying a mac doesn't crash is a blatant lie.
I am yet to experience linux but thus far i am a 16 year old amateur web designer/video editor with no complaints toward the pc.
Posted by: Slayed at August 9, 2007 05:04 AM
Definitely a Mac. I switched one year ago and will never go back.
Posted by: luca at August 9, 2007 04:51 AM
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Posted by: Jeff McNeill at August 9, 2007 03:41 AM
As a long time developer and computer technology professional, it is a no-brainer. The underlying technology of the Macintosh is so far and away superior to the mess that is Windows, that this quesiton is absurd to anyone with any level of understanding of the field.
Posted by: Reuben at August 9, 2007 03:32 AM
I have just bought a PC which I have on a wireless network linked by my old MAC router.
I cannot make my network secure and use muy WIFI phone. By the way, have spent umteen hours trying to add my Pulver WIFI phone (Broavoice service) to my network without success. Where can we find support for the WIFI phone made by Pulver?? help
Posted by: isabel courtney at August 9, 2007 03:23 AM
Definitely a Mac. Easier to use, doesn't crush, doesn't have any viruses and has the iLife package pre-installed. What more can I ask for?
Posted by: Guy David at August 9, 2007 02:59 AM
A PC man running Ubuntu. Why would you want anything else?
Posted by: Elwyn Jenkins at August 9, 2007 02:58 AM
The last Mac I owned was an SE/30, which I loved, and have been pining for a new one ever since. Being an itinerant network mechanic, I needed a laptop long before Mac laptops came out, and as such was assimilated. And I also discovered that laptops only last me about 2 years if I'm lucky, so I've switched to the strategy of buying the cheapest one I can find right after the current one buys the farm. It's tough to compete with $400-$600 every two years vs. $2000 every two years. Plus, in my line of work, sometimes you're just stuck with a windows version of essential software, and switching back and forth with parallels would be too much of a pain. If the hardware cost was comparable, then I'd consider. Bring back the Mac clones!
Posted by: Craig Plunkett at August 9, 2007 01:52 AM
Mac. Specifically a MacBook Pro.
Posted by: Alan Weinkrantz at August 9, 2007 01:51 AM
We have only Macs here in our house. My wife on a Powerbook G4 and me on a MacBook Pro.
I work in the IT industry and support PC's. I just cant recommend to anyone to by a PC. Finally convinced my father, a lifelong PC user to buy a Mac.
Posted by: david at August 9, 2007 01:48 AM
I bought a MacBook about six months ago and I'm very happy with it. I've never had a Wintel box though, 10 years ago I started using Linux and a couple of years ago I switched to FreeBSD, which I still use on my desktop computer.
The ease of use, everything just works, on Mac OSX, along with the fact that I have the terminal and a complete FreeBSD system beneath it is just mindblowing.
Posted by: Olle Johansson at August 9, 2007 01:15 AM